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	<title>Comments on: California Wins 2008 WSOP Money RaceMain Event Dominance Propels Left Coasters Past LV Locals</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to move to Las Vegas from Dallas and be a professional poker player!!! Yeah!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to move to Las Vegas from Dallas and be a professional poker player!!! Yeah!!!</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***By the way, the intriguing thing to me is how the â€œhomeâ€ is determined. I mean, are you Dallas Dan or Danny Vegas?***

That&#039;s the biggest dilemma on here. You may have seen earlier debates on whether Shannon Shorr was from LV or Alabama, and whether or not David Benyamine really was from France.

Our default was to go with whatever locale was the player&#039;s officially declared residence was ... and made a few semi-consistent changes along the way. 

The trick would be to add an extra blank on whatever form players fill out -- second home, or birthplace or something. Would make it sooo interesting, as we might see a real Vietnam vs. Texas kinda thing developing, since so many of the original Viets now make their home base in Cali, and Texans do so in Vegas.

But even that adds a slight level of complication. Take me, for example, if &quot;birthplace&quot; provided the secondary home info, I would be seen as Dan from Chicago, instead of Dan from Texas, where I really feel is home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***By the way, the intriguing thing to me is how the â€œhomeâ€ is determined. I mean, are you Dallas Dan or Danny Vegas?***</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the biggest dilemma on here. You may have seen earlier debates on whether Shannon Shorr was from LV or Alabama, and whether or not David Benyamine really was from France.</p>
<p>Our default was to go with whatever locale was the player&#8217;s officially declared residence was &#8230; and made a few semi-consistent changes along the way. </p>
<p>The trick would be to add an extra blank on whatever form players fill out &#8212; second home, or birthplace or something. Would make it sooo interesting, as we might see a real Vietnam vs. Texas kinda thing developing, since so many of the original Viets now make their home base in Cali, and Texans do so in Vegas.</p>
<p>But even that adds a slight level of complication. Take me, for example, if &#8220;birthplace&#8221; provided the secondary home info, I would be seen as Dan from Chicago, instead of Dan from Texas, where I really feel is home.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always thought of him as Dan The Pole.

Or is that Poll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always thought of him as Dan The Pole.</p>
<p>Or is that Poll?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually I DON&#039;T take data seriously, since I&#039;ve always dealt with it and can do a pretty good job of manipulating it myself.

What I like to do is point out that there are alternative ways to interpret the data that you see, and therefore alternatives to the conclusions you can make. I&#039;d rather tell someone they are jumping to conclusions not supported by the facts than jump to conclusions of my own. It&#039;s more fun that way.

By the way, the intriguing thing to me is how the &quot;home&quot; is determined. I mean, are you Dallas Dan or Danny Vegas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I DON&#8217;T take data seriously, since I&#8217;ve always dealt with it and can do a pretty good job of manipulating it myself.</p>
<p>What I like to do is point out that there are alternative ways to interpret the data that you see, and therefore alternatives to the conclusions you can make. I&#8217;d rather tell someone they are jumping to conclusions not supported by the facts than jump to conclusions of my own. It&#8217;s more fun that way.</p>
<p>By the way, the intriguing thing to me is how the &#8220;home&#8221; is determined. I mean, are you Dallas Dan or Danny Vegas?</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Uncle Ray, you sure do take your data seriously. Just to be clear, all final tableists have been &quot;awarded&quot; their 9th place $900k ... both in real life and the Pokerati World Standings.

So if the California players went out in 9th and 8th place, &lt;s&gt;Cali still would have another $1.something million added to their overall stack. &lt;/s&gt; Oh, wait, I see what you are saying ... you are right, it would be only a few hundred thousand difference that way. 

Still, I didn&#039;t even expect them to pass Nevada at all with one event to go. And because there are different ways to look at the data, we have given you multiple ways to look at it ... indeed, the debate will come down to what&#039;s more important, the actual bracelets or the money they represent.

BTW, it should be noted that Argentina and Alabama are still leading in the Alphabetical standings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Uncle Ray, you sure do take your data seriously. Just to be clear, all final tableists have been &#8220;awarded&#8221; their 9th place $900k &#8230; both in real life and the Pokerati World Standings.</p>
<p>So if the California players went out in 9th and 8th place, <s>Cali still would have another $1.something million added to their overall stack. </s> Oh, wait, I see what you are saying &#8230; you are right, it would be only a few hundred thousand difference that way. </p>
<p>Still, I didn&#8217;t even expect them to pass Nevada at all with one event to go. And because there are different ways to look at the data, we have given you multiple ways to look at it &#8230; indeed, the debate will come down to what&#8217;s more important, the actual bracelets or the money they represent.</p>
<p>BTW, it should be noted that Argentina and Alabama are still leading in the Alphabetical standings.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ve kept quiet long enough. Aaron, you are correct when pointing out that the money is virtually the same and CA has 1 and 1/2 times as many cashes, the same number of final tables, and Nevada has 1 and 1/2 times as many bracelets. How does that make CA superior? 

I&#039;ll reiterate what I have always said, that you can twist statistics any way you want to make them mean what you want them to.

Dan, the split MIGHT be in the millions, might not. If they&#039;re the first 2 bustouts, the difference is only 100K more. And whatever happens, it won&#039;t increase the CA number of final tables and only POSSIBLY increase bracelets by 1.

What would be more telling is the percentage of people from an area that cashed  in. CA has 996 cashes, but how many CAians entered the 55 events? NV has 666 cashes but how many NVdans entered the 55 events? (you do notice that the last 3 letters of Nevadan is Dan, right?)

Also, out of 996 cashes for CA, how many DIFFERENT people cashed? or was it the same people over and over.

And if one person entered many events and cashed 5 but busted out of the main event, and another entered many events but ONLY cashed in the main event, and for more money than the guy who cashed 5 times, who did better?

I can think of a million (well, maybe only 2 or 3) more questions to ask about the stats, and all of them have an affect (did I use affect/effect correctly, too/to/two/2?) on where you might think the most successful players this year are from. But you get my point. It all comes down to your opinion of what are the most important stats anyway.

I&#039;ve said enough (probably too much)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ve kept quiet long enough. Aaron, you are correct when pointing out that the money is virtually the same and CA has 1 and 1/2 times as many cashes, the same number of final tables, and Nevada has 1 and 1/2 times as many bracelets. How does that make CA superior? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll reiterate what I have always said, that you can twist statistics any way you want to make them mean what you want them to.</p>
<p>Dan, the split MIGHT be in the millions, might not. If they&#8217;re the first 2 bustouts, the difference is only 100K more. And whatever happens, it won&#8217;t increase the CA number of final tables and only POSSIBLY increase bracelets by 1.</p>
<p>What would be more telling is the percentage of people from an area that cashed  in. CA has 996 cashes, but how many CAians entered the 55 events? NV has 666 cashes but how many NVdans entered the 55 events? (you do notice that the last 3 letters of Nevadan is Dan, right?)</p>
<p>Also, out of 996 cashes for CA, how many DIFFERENT people cashed? or was it the same people over and over.</p>
<p>And if one person entered many events and cashed 5 but busted out of the main event, and another entered many events but ONLY cashed in the main event, and for more money than the guy who cashed 5 times, who did better?</p>
<p>I can think of a million (well, maybe only 2 or 3) more questions to ask about the stats, and all of them have an affect (did I use affect/effect correctly, too/to/two/2?) on where you might think the most successful players this year are from. But you get my point. It all comes down to your opinion of what are the most important stats anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said enough (probably too much)</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are forgetting that California has two players at the final table, to Nevada&#039;s zero.

So that means when all is said and done, the money split between them will be in the millions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are forgetting that California has two players at the final table, to Nevada&#8217;s zero.</p>
<p>So that means when all is said and done, the money split between them will be in the millions.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California?? hmmmm.... They have 330 more cashes than Nevada but only $160,000 more in earnings?? That tells you that possibly the Nevada players move further in the tournaments, and also have 5 more bracelets and 1 more final table than the Cali&#039;s. I think it&#039;s a tough call to say who&#039;s better. Cali still may be a sliiiiight favorite in the number of cashes, but Nevada still shows plenty of power.

I could be missing something with the above observation, but I think Nevada is just as strong or stronger than Cali with those stats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California?? hmmmm&#8230;. They have 330 more cashes than Nevada but only $160,000 more in earnings?? That tells you that possibly the Nevada players move further in the tournaments, and also have 5 more bracelets and 1 more final table than the Cali&#8217;s. I think it&#8217;s a tough call to say who&#8217;s better. Cali still may be a sliiiiight favorite in the number of cashes, but Nevada still shows plenty of power.</p>
<p>I could be missing something with the above observation, but I think Nevada is just as strong or stronger than Cali with those stats.</p>
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