Comments on: So Who’s Advanced so far at The River? http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/ Texas Hold'em and Las Vegas WSOP Poker Blog, now with PLO too! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ItsOverJonny http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156537 ItsOverJonny Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:55:30 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156537 Warren - click my name/link and read my couple of blog entries regarding Winstar. Or don't if you are easily offended. In a nutshell, my problems revolved around the incompetence and lack of professionalism by Winstar dealers and the incompetence, arrogance, complacency, and overall lack of planning and preparation by Winstar management for the biggest poker event that this region has ever seen. Warren – click my name/link and read my couple of blog entries regarding Winstar. Or don’t if you are easily offended. In a nutshell, my problems revolved around the incompetence and lack of professionalism by Winstar dealers and the incompetence, arrogance, complacency, and overall lack of planning and preparation by Winstar management for the biggest poker event that this region has ever seen.

]]> By: Warren Hudson http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156528 Warren Hudson Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:36:24 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156528 For those of us who are late coming to the party, how about giving me a little bit of the reason you got the red-a$$ for Winstar - itsoverjonny ? I've played Hollywood in Shreveport and will NEVER go back, even if they sent a helicopter, I was at the final Sat night. Except for lack of audio in the studio, I thought it was OK. For those of us who are late coming to the party, how about giving me a little bit of the reason you got the red-a$$ for Winstar – itsoverjonny ?

I’ve played Hollywood in Shreveport and will NEVER go back, even if they sent a helicopter,

I was at the final Sat night. Except for lack of audio in the studio, I thought it was OK.

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156268 DanM Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:07:22 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156268 Way to let Team Pokerati down, Whit. I'm very disappointed in you. Way to let Team Pokerati down, Whit. I’m very disappointed in you.

]]> By: Whit Blanton http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156267 Whit Blanton Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:05:11 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156267 I played yesterday. Made it to level 9. Crappy structure indeed! I was free rollin' though :) I played yesterday. Made it to level 9. Crappy structure indeed! I was free rollin’ though :)

]]> By: ItsOverJonny http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156262 ItsOverJonny Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:23:15 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156262 Good luck Grunkzzz! Good luck Grunkzzz!

]]> By: David http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156249 David Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:46:25 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156249 good luck!!! get your money In bad and get lucky....LOL....That is the winstar way of poker....... good luck!!! get your money In bad and get lucky….LOL….That is the winstar way of poker…….

]]> By: Grunkzzz http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156248 Grunkzzz Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:47:20 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156248 Yeah I just wanted to cause them problems. I don't actually expect to win anything. I also hope I don't have to worry about it. Anyways I will take a few pictures with my iphone. Wish me luck or something. Yeah I just wanted to cause them problems. I don’t actually expect to win anything. I also hope I don’t have to worry about it.

Anyways I will take a few pictures with my iphone.

Wish me luck or something.

]]> By: david http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156219 david Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:40:11 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156219 I had a buddy that played today and paid $1500 for his chip at 10am......plenty of people had chips for sale..wonder how many paid dead stack they had????? I had a buddy that played today and paid $1500 for his chip at 10am……plenty of people had chips for sale..wonder how many paid dead stack they had?????

]]> By: ItsOverJonny http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156194 ItsOverJonny Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:48:16 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156194 Good luck Grunkzzz. You realize that State and Federal courts have no jurisdiction over Winstar in civil matters, right? Any civil actions are decided by the Tribal Courts of the Chickasaw Nation. When you sign up for the tournament on the day you play, one of the things you agree to (yes, I actualy read it) is that you recognize the jurisdiction of the Chickasaw Nation over all aspects of the event and that any disagreements will be subject to that jurisdiction. Good luck Grunkzzz. You realize that State and Federal courts have no jurisdiction over Winstar in civil matters, right? Any civil actions are decided by the Tribal Courts of the Chickasaw Nation. When you sign up for the tournament on the day you play, one of the things you agree to (yes, I actualy read it) is that you recognize the jurisdiction of the Chickasaw Nation over all aspects of the event and that any disagreements will be subject to that jurisdiction.

]]> By: Grunkzzz http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156193 Grunkzzz Wed, 20 Aug 2008 02:40:27 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156193 I might sue if they dont distribute the full 3,000,000 I might sue if they dont distribute the full 3,000,000

]]> By: Alicia http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156189 Alicia Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:22:16 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156189 I was hoping to sell my Thursday entry, but it doesn't appear that I'll get the price I was wanting. Dang it! Guess I'll be playing on Thursday. I was hoping to sell my Thursday entry, but it doesn’t appear that I’ll get the price I was wanting. Dang it! Guess I’ll be playing on Thursday.

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156184 DanM Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:36:07 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156184 here's their technical out (emphasis added): From http://www.winstarworldcasino.com/WWCS/RiverRules.html 6. Any situation or dispute not covered by the rules governing “The River” Poker Tournament will be resolved by the Chickasaw Nation in a manner deemed by the Nation to be the fairest to all concerned. Any such decision shall be final and binding on all participants. In addition, <b>the Chickasaw Nation reserves the right to void any entry, and/or change, cancel or modify this tournament at any time</b>. Upon any dispute regarding this tournament, participants may file a Prize Claim with the Chickasaw Nation, Office of the Gaming Commissioner. Man, it's amazing what crappy dealers will do to your attitude about a place. Just last week ItsOverJonny was reminding us that this was likely going to be the biggest non-WSOP >$2k tourney ever ... (and it still probably will be even without being full) ... and now, after two tourneys in a row of terrible card-pitching, he's rooting for it to topple. As always, I'm just rooting for good poker. So I'm happy it's big, but I hope it doesn't fall apart while still going on, as I want all the remaining players to feel they won their money cleanly, fairly, and from people who care more about them as people and not just entry fees. Think this is possible from a poker-room in a tent that is making money hand over fist? here’s their technical out (emphasis added):

From http://www.winstarworldcasino.com/WWCS/RiverRules.html

6. Any situation or dispute not covered by the rules governing “The River” Poker Tournament will be resolved by the Chickasaw Nation in a manner deemed by the Nation to be the fairest to all concerned. Any such decision shall be final and binding on all participants. In addition, the Chickasaw Nation reserves the right to void any entry, and/or change, cancel or modify this tournament at any time. Upon any dispute regarding this tournament, participants may file a Prize Claim with the Chickasaw Nation, Office of the Gaming Commissioner.

Man, it’s amazing what crappy dealers will do to your attitude about a place. Just last week ItsOverJonny was reminding us that this was likely going to be the biggest non-WSOP >$2k tourney ever … (and it still probably will be even without being full) … and now, after two tourneys in a row of terrible card-pitching, he’s rooting for it to topple.

As always, I’m just rooting for good poker. So I’m happy it’s big, but I hope it doesn’t fall apart while still going on, as I want all the remaining players to feel they won their money cleanly, fairly, and from people who care more about them as people and not just entry fees.

Think this is possible from a poker-room in a tent that is making money hand over fist?

]]> By: ItsOverJonny http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156182 ItsOverJonny Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:25:26 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156182 Sweet, they're up to about $120k overlay Sweet, they’re up to about $120k overlay

]]> By: david http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156180 david Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:17:11 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156180 Today was another short-sell day... not a sell-out less than 270 runners.... Today was another short-sell day… not a sell-out less than 270 runners….

]]> By: ItsOverJonny http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156179 ItsOverJonny Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:11:52 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156179 I re-read the rules yesterday, and there is no contingency about the number of entries. And the logo for the tournament clearly says 'Guaranteed $3,000,000 Poker Tournament'. Would they have to balls to renege on that? Of course, I hope they do in order to feed my loathing for Winstar, but it certainly isn't worth the PR backlash. But then again, they know "If you pitch it, they will come" regardless. Logo: http://www.winstarworldcasino.com/WWCS/Main.html I re-read the rules yesterday, and there is no contingency about the number of entries. And the logo for the tournament clearly says ‘Guaranteed $3,000,000 Poker Tournament’. Would they have to balls to renege on that? Of course, I hope they do in order to feed my loathing for Winstar, but it certainly isn’t worth the PR backlash. But then again, they know “If you pitch it, they will come” regardless.

Logo:

http://www.winstarworldcasino.com/WWCS/Main.html

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156174 DanM Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:21:29 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156174 Dude, that would be pretty lame if they lowered the prize pool. I do remember seeing some fine print saying "based on full capacity" or something like that. But you would think they would just eat it considering how much action the "promise" of $3 million generated in their cash room. At the same time, I bet if they promoted a $2.86 million tourney, it would be attended by about the same number. Dude, that would be pretty lame if they lowered the prize pool. I do remember seeing some fine print saying “based on full capacity” or something like that. But you would think they would just eat it considering how much action the “promise” of $3 million generated in their cash room.

At the same time, I bet if they promoted a $2.86 million tourney, it would be attended by about the same number.

]]> By: ItsOverJonny http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156169 ItsOverJonny Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:44:04 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156169 I'm guessing that Winstar never stopped to think what they would do if the event did not sell out. If the $3 Million is guaranteed, and they have already published the payouts for 150 spots, why not just take 30 from each day? It's not like it's terribly unfair that the folks on Sunday had to outlast a few more people than Monday's runners did. I'm laughing my ass off and hoping that Winstar has to come out of pocket for $250k or more to cover the overlay. I’m guessing that Winstar never stopped to think what they would do if the event did not sell out. If the $3 Million is guaranteed, and they have already published the payouts for 150 spots, why not just take 30 from each day? It’s not like it’s terribly unfair that the folks on Sunday had to outlast a few more people than Monday’s runners did.

I’m laughing my ass off and hoping that Winstar has to come out of pocket for $250k or more to cover the overlay.

]]> By: Grunkzzz http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156163 Grunkzzz Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:11:26 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156163 According to what I heard there wont be 150 people on Saturday, since only 27 moved on wedensday, and none of the other days are sold out that I am aware of. They move 10% of the field forward.. So if it ends up being like 138 or something they will redo the prize pool for 138 people not 150. According to what I heard there wont be 150 people on Saturday, since only 27 moved on wedensday, and none of the other days are sold out that I am aware of. They move 10% of the field forward.. So if it ends up being like 138 or something they will redo the prize pool for 138 people not 150.

]]> By: Steve justice http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156154 Steve justice Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:21:48 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156154 Lonny Hardcastle of "Team Texas" made it on Monday with 177,000 in chips. I play on Wednesday. Lonny said blinds structure is too fast and blinds are 40 mins. Lonny Hardcastle of “Team Texas” made it on Monday with 177,000 in chips. I play on Wednesday. Lonny said blinds structure is too fast and blinds are 40 mins.

]]> By: Brian http://pokerati.com/2008/08/19/so-whos-advanced-so-far-on-the-river/comment-page-1/#comment-156152 Brian Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:53:59 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=4247#comment-156152 27 players moved on from yesterday. On Sunday TJ Cloutier was knocked out really early. 27 players moved on from yesterday. On Sunday TJ Cloutier was knocked out really early.

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