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	<title>Comments on: How to Defeat a Ready-to-Pass Bill: Lie What we&#8217;re really up against</title>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 23:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really would love to have a civil conversation with the dude, about all sorts of things. He&#039;s a phD, so he can&#039;t be an idiot ... but is he capable of having an intelligent dialogue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really would love to have a civil conversation with the dude, about all sorts of things. He&#8217;s a phD, so he can&#8217;t be an idiot &#8230; but is he capable of having an intelligent dialogue?</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weston Ware has made a career out of opposing gambling in Texas and nationwide. He helped defeat a state lottery initiative in the 80s. He rallied against it in the 90s. He&#039;s opposed every piece of pro-gambling Texas legislation without exception. He&#039;s a hired gun of the Baptist General Convention/Christian Life/etc. Guy&#039;s a consummate operator. Rabble-rouser. Check out his ZoomInfo profile (scroll down for links to quotes).

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Ware_Weston_14826192.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weston Ware has made a career out of opposing gambling in Texas and nationwide. He helped defeat a state lottery initiative in the 80s. He rallied against it in the 90s. He&#8217;s opposed every piece of pro-gambling Texas legislation without exception. He&#8217;s a hired gun of the Baptist General Convention/Christian Life/etc. Guy&#8217;s a consummate operator. Rabble-rouser. Check out his ZoomInfo profile (scroll down for links to quotes).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Ware_Weston_14826192.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Ware_Weston_14826192.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these guys really think poker is a game of luck, we should try to get 5 or so of them to sit down at a table with some real poker players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these guys really think poker is a game of luck, we should try to get 5 or so of them to sit down at a table with some real poker players.</p>
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		<title>By: pinkerton</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 15:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(a good player can go through as many as 12 hands a minute)&quot;

It sounds like he&#039;s got electronic poker tables confused with video poker.  Unless everyone&#039;s paying attention and nobody plans on seeing a flop.

It&#039;s hard not to balk at some of his &#039;math&#039; here, but I&#039;m pretty sure most people on here have made it through grade school so I&#039;ll let you do your own breakdowns :P.

I just wish politics was about debates and issues. People just read the title of a bill, get a Cliff&#039;s Notes on what it&#039;s about and proceed to put whatever spin they&#039;re angling for on it.  I&#039;m fairly apolitical myself, mostly because I feel the media hypes everything and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

There are definitely arguments they could use that have better examples, just as there are arguments for our side.  The middle ground is that there IS an element of chance, but that overall, that three-of-a-kind that we get dealt by chance does not dictate how much money we win or lose in the hand. Our decisions and the decisions of people around us dictate the hand.

As far as games, sports, or even life decisions that don&#039;t have an element of chance in them, I can&#039;t think of any that are fun :P...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(a good player can go through as many as 12 hands a minute)&#8221;</p>
<p>It sounds like he&#8217;s got electronic poker tables confused with video poker.  Unless everyone&#8217;s paying attention and nobody plans on seeing a flop.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard not to balk at some of his &#8216;math&#8217; here, but I&#8217;m pretty sure most people on here have made it through grade school so I&#8217;ll let you do your own breakdowns <img src='http://pokerati.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>I just wish politics was about debates and issues. People just read the title of a bill, get a Cliff&#8217;s Notes on what it&#8217;s about and proceed to put whatever spin they&#8217;re angling for on it.  I&#8217;m fairly apolitical myself, mostly because I feel the media hypes everything and the truth is somewhere in the middle.</p>
<p>There are definitely arguments they could use that have better examples, just as there are arguments for our side.  The middle ground is that there IS an element of chance, but that overall, that three-of-a-kind that we get dealt by chance does not dictate how much money we win or lose in the hand. Our decisions and the decisions of people around us dictate the hand.</p>
<p>As far as games, sports, or even life decisions that don&#8217;t have an element of chance in them, I can&#8217;t think of any that are fun <img src='http://pokerati.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 10:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your research, PLL. because you&#039;re semi-new around here, i may have to do it just for you ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your research, PLL. because you&#8217;re semi-new around here, i may have to do it just for you &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 10:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doyle, I&#039;m not gonna make too many comments on your interesting philosophical point ... I fear my knowledge might come off as limited as someone fighting against poker without giving it more than the 15 minutes it takes to understand the game. But really, I think you might be touching on a valid point as to why the religious right is so against poker ... if you start attaching mathematical odds to what was previously left to faith (c&#039;mon river card!) ... well we might just be encroaching on their monopoly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doyle, I&#8217;m not gonna make too many comments on your interesting philosophical point &#8230; I fear my knowledge might come off as limited as someone fighting against poker without giving it more than the 15 minutes it takes to understand the game. But really, I think you might be touching on a valid point as to why the religious right is so against poker &#8230; if you start attaching mathematical odds to what was previously left to faith (c&#8217;mon river card!) &#8230; well we might just be encroaching on their monopoly.</p>
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		<title>By: Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 08:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, isn&#039;t religion a game of chance??  By going to church are you not placing a bet in the corner that there is a God?  And by not going you place your bet in the other corner?  As of right now, I&#039;d say the odds for each is 50/50... Though I&#039;d bet there is less of a chance that there&#039;s a man floating on clouds shouting down from sky... And by all means, he loves Notre Dame and each NASCAR driver that wins a race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, isn&#8217;t religion a game of chance??  By going to church are you not placing a bet in the corner that there is a God?  And by not going you place your bet in the other corner?  As of right now, I&#8217;d say the odds for each is 50/50&#8230; Though I&#8217;d bet there is less of a chance that there&#8217;s a man floating on clouds shouting down from sky&#8230; And by all means, he loves Notre Dame and each NASCAR driver that wins a race.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick the Longtime Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick the Longtime Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per Google:

Weston Ware (972)709-7756 1503 Shields Ave, Cedar Hill, TX 75104

http://www.google.com/search?q=Weston+Ware+texas&amp;hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS310US310&amp;pb=r&amp;ei=J1IGSv2TEZG6M_GxlaMD&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=rwp&amp;ct=title

Take him up on his offer. Please.

And make sure you get audio of this phone call. We&#039;ve GOT to hear this numbnut talk his way out of his lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per Google:</p>
<p>Weston Ware (972)709-7756 1503 Shields Ave, Cedar Hill, TX 75104</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=Weston+Ware+texas&#038;hl=en&#038;safe=off&#038;rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS310US310&#038;pb=r&#038;ei=J1IGSv2TEZG6M_GxlaMD&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=rwp&#038;ct=title" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=Weston+Ware+texas&#038;hl=en&#038;safe=off&#038;rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS310US310&#038;pb=r&#038;ei=J1IGSv2TEZG6M_GxlaMD&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=rwp&#038;ct=title</a></p>
<p>Take him up on his offer. Please.</p>
<p>And make sure you get audio of this phone call. We&#8217;ve GOT to hear this numbnut talk his way out of his lies.</p>
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