Comments on: All In All Out: No Love Between Johnny Chan, the WSOP http://pokerati.com/2009/07/06/all-in-all-out-no-love-between-johnny-chan-the-wsop/ Texas Hold'em and Las Vegas WSOP Poker Blog, now with PLO too! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2009/07/06/all-in-all-out-no-love-between-johnny-chan-the-wsop/comment-page-1/#comment-169604 DanM Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:01:08 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=10154#comment-169604 BJ, I added a paragraf, fyi, at the end. IMO, Chan is just grumbling. While you might be able to find places where Harrah's takes too much, pays too little, or spends wastefully, c'mon, overall either you like the event they've created or you don't ... but it's clearly something bigger and different than it was in '04. And who isn't happy to know about a big poker enterprise that isn't on the verge of going bust? Though it's not clear what came first -- either he knew Harrah's was going to stop pushing his water and thus he lashed out, or vice versa, he lashed out and thus Harrah's ganked his water ... the relationship between the WSOP and Chan's All In energy drink is not what either party thought it would be when they supposedly agreed to make it an official sponsor. This is a deal that went bust and Chan isn't happy about it. Because he sure wasn't voicing these complaints about greediness last year when he was running around the floor patching up just about every TV player with his logo. BJ, I added a paragraf, fyi, at the end.

IMO, Chan is just grumbling. While you might be able to find places where Harrah’s takes too much, pays too little, or spends wastefully, c’mon, overall either you like the event they’ve created or you don’t … but it’s clearly something bigger and different than it was in ’04. And who isn’t happy to know about a big poker enterprise that isn’t on the verge of going bust?

Though it’s not clear what came first — either he knew Harrah’s was going to stop pushing his water and thus he lashed out, or vice versa, he lashed out and thus Harrah’s ganked his water … the relationship between the WSOP and Chan’s All In energy drink is not what either party thought it would be when they supposedly agreed to make it an official sponsor.

This is a deal that went bust and Chan isn’t happy about it. Because he sure wasn’t voicing these complaints about greediness last year when he was running around the floor patching up just about every TV player with his logo.

]]> By: BJ Nemeth http://pokerati.com/2009/07/06/all-in-all-out-no-love-between-johnny-chan-the-wsop/comment-page-1/#comment-169603 BJ Nemeth Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:50:22 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=10154#comment-169603 I should have read the article first. The last paragraph mentions that Becky Binion first pulled money from the prizepool in 2001, when she pulled 3% on behalf of the dealers. Not sure if it increased from there in the leadup to 2004 (when Harrah's was running things). I should have read the article first. The last paragraph mentions that Becky Binion first pulled money from the prizepool in 2001, when she pulled 3% on behalf of the dealers. Not sure if it increased from there in the leadup to 2004 (when Harrah’s was running things).

]]> By: BJ Nemeth http://pokerati.com/2009/07/06/all-in-all-out-no-love-between-johnny-chan-the-wsop/comment-page-1/#comment-169602 BJ Nemeth Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:47:27 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=10154#comment-169602 Now *that's* an interesting connection! I agree with Johnny Chan that dealer tips used to be entirely mandatory; I disagree that *everyone* tipped anyway. I also disagree with his implication that Benny Binion put 100% of the buy in toward the prizepool. And if he did, I'll bet it was only in the early years, and not in the late '90s/early '00s. (That 4-10% is the *entire* rake, for both Harrah's and the dealers.) Now *that’s* an interesting connection!

I agree with Johnny Chan that dealer tips used to be entirely mandatory; I disagree that *everyone* tipped anyway. I also disagree with his implication that Benny Binion put 100% of the buy in toward the prizepool. And if he did, I’ll bet it was only in the early years, and not in the late ’90s/early ’00s. (That 4-10% is the *entire* rake, for both Harrah’s and the dealers.)

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