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	<title>Comments on: Colorado Supreme Court Could Decide Skill vs. Luck Issue</title>
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		<title>By: Vinny B.</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/12/colorado-supreme-court-could-decide-skill-vs-luck-issue/comment-page-1/#comment-170849</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poker is a game of luck and skill.  As I guy who has played for 20 years, I know that.  As much as we like to think it is pure skill, it just isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poker is a game of luck and skill.  As I guy who has played for 20 years, I know that.  As much as we like to think it is pure skill, it just isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: edA-qa mort-ora-y</title>
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		<dc:creator>edA-qa mort-ora-y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The division between games of luck and games of skill is not clear, nor will it ever be clear. There are some games at both ends of the scale, pure luck, or pure skill, but generally those games lack appeal.  Either they are totally chaotic, or totally predictable.

Now in the middle I&#039;ve seen a lot of games, particularly in mass market board games, where luck plays a factor, but there are also a great deal of decisions to be made.  Quite often however these games are manufactured to not let somebody fall too far behind.  This usually means tempering good players with a lot of luck based decisions.  That is, there are games in which luck is the predominant factor but it is masked behind skill-like decisions.

I think people might be trying to push this argument on poker.  The, &quot;you guys just think its skill argument&quot;.

But let&#039;s face it.  When it comes right down to it governments aren&#039;t opposed to gambling, they are simply opposed to gambling in which they don&#039;t take the largest rake.  Consider that almost all lotteries are government sponsored and are pure luck.  So this &quot;game of chance&quot; label is just utter misdirection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The division between games of luck and games of skill is not clear, nor will it ever be clear. There are some games at both ends of the scale, pure luck, or pure skill, but generally those games lack appeal.  Either they are totally chaotic, or totally predictable.</p>
<p>Now in the middle I&#8217;ve seen a lot of games, particularly in mass market board games, where luck plays a factor, but there are also a great deal of decisions to be made.  Quite often however these games are manufactured to not let somebody fall too far behind.  This usually means tempering good players with a lot of luck based decisions.  That is, there are games in which luck is the predominant factor but it is masked behind skill-like decisions.</p>
<p>I think people might be trying to push this argument on poker.  The, &#8220;you guys just think its skill argument&#8221;.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s face it.  When it comes right down to it governments aren&#8217;t opposed to gambling, they are simply opposed to gambling in which they don&#8217;t take the largest rake.  Consider that almost all lotteries are government sponsored and are pure luck.  So this &#8220;game of chance&#8221; label is just utter misdirection.</p>
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		<title>By: pinkerton</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to stimulate conversation and not negate the validity of the overall argument, Candy Land does not belong in the conversation of games that depend even a little on luck, it&#039;s entirely luck. 

Yahtzee and Monopoly involve decisions, whether to buy a property, if one should put down 66656 in four of a kind or the 6&#039;s row in order to make the top section bonus.  These may seem like trivial decisions, but making the wrong decision could cost you the game. Theoretically there could be some world class yahtzee players or a Monopoly team that travels the underground circuit.

My suggestion for team names:
Yahtzee: Yahtzee Nazis
Monopoly: Free Parking, Community Chest, You Won a Beauty Pageant

The bottom line is there is no decision to make in Candy Land other than choosing a piece color. Apparently someone agrees with me =):
http://versusclucluland.blogspot.com/2009/01/getting-to-bottom-of-candyland.html

Although I think it could be argued that the point they make on Battleship isn&#039;t exactly accurate, it&#039;s not a total blind guess if you figure out what size ships they have left and whether they can fit into the space in which you&#039;re guessing... *shrug*...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to stimulate conversation and not negate the validity of the overall argument, Candy Land does not belong in the conversation of games that depend even a little on luck, it&#8217;s entirely luck. </p>
<p>Yahtzee and Monopoly involve decisions, whether to buy a property, if one should put down 66656 in four of a kind or the 6&#8242;s row in order to make the top section bonus.  These may seem like trivial decisions, but making the wrong decision could cost you the game. Theoretically there could be some world class yahtzee players or a Monopoly team that travels the underground circuit.</p>
<p>My suggestion for team names:<br />
Yahtzee: Yahtzee Nazis<br />
Monopoly: Free Parking, Community Chest, You Won a Beauty Pageant</p>
<p>The bottom line is there is no decision to make in Candy Land other than choosing a piece color. Apparently someone agrees with me =):<br />
<a href="http://versusclucluland.blogspot.com/2009/01/getting-to-bottom-of-candyland.html" rel="nofollow">http://versusclucluland.blogspot.com/2009/01/getting-to-bottom-of-candyland.html</a></p>
<p>Although I think it could be argued that the point they make on Battleship isn&#8217;t exactly accurate, it&#8217;s not a total blind guess if you figure out what size ships they have left and whether they can fit into the space in which you&#8217;re guessing&#8230; *shrug*&#8230;</p>
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