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	<title>Comments on: The First through Ninth Families of Poker?</title>
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		<title>By: Steve L.</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171416</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are Ben Affleck and Matt Damon related?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are Ben Affleck and Matt Damon related?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171371</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going with Dan&#039;s &quot;vague&quot; qualifications, how about the GoldSteins? If we&#039;re going with BJ&#039;s qualifications, ignore this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going with Dan&#8217;s &#8220;vague&#8221; qualifications, how about the GoldSteins? If we&#8217;re going with BJ&#8217;s qualifications, ignore this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Mathers</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171367</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Mathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Simon won Reno that season.

How&#039;s about Lyle and Bradley Berman (who I believe were scheduled to be the 6th team in the Fathers v Sons special).

The other Sexton is Matt Sexton, all three are FTP red pros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Simon won Reno that season.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s about Lyle and Bradley Berman (who I believe were scheduled to be the 6th team in the Fathers v Sons special).</p>
<p>The other Sexton is Matt Sexton, all three are FTP red pros.</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171366</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy, so many ... and Tom and Mike Sexton probably count as a family team, too.

@Shrink, surely you&#039;re not thinking of Vince van Patten and Dick van Patten?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy, so many &#8230; and Tom and Mike Sexton probably count as a family team, too.</p>
<p>@Shrink, surely you&#8217;re not thinking of Vince van Patten and Dick van Patten?</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Nemeth</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171365</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also the Sexton family (no relation to Mike Sexton) -- father Keith and son Paul. There is another poker playing son in that family, but I don&#039;t remember his name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also the Sexton family (no relation to Mike Sexton) &#8212; father Keith and son Paul. There is another poker playing son in that family, but I don&#8217;t remember his name.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Nemeth</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171364</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WPT did a Fathers &amp; Sons special in 2006, which was won by Sebok &amp; Greenstein: 

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&amp;n=24269

Also playing in that invitational six-family event: The Brunsons, the Shulmans, Steve &amp; John Stolzmann, Dick &amp; Vince Van Patten, and Michael &amp; Romeo Simon (who I&#039;m not familiar with).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WPT did a Fathers &amp; Sons special in 2006, which was won by Sebok &amp; Greenstein: </p>
<p><a href="http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&#038;n=24269" rel="nofollow">http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/event.php?a=r&#038;n=24269</a></p>
<p>Also playing in that invitational six-family event: The Brunsons, the Shulmans, Steve &amp; John Stolzmann, Dick &amp; Vince Van Patten, and Michael &amp; Romeo Simon (who I&#8217;m not familiar with).</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171363</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, &quot;no limit&quot; hold&#039;em is a gimmick when you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, &#8220;no limit&#8221; hold&#8217;em is a gimmick when you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Nemeth</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171361</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the country vs. country tournaments, a family vs. family tournament would just end up being a gimmick. It might be a fun or an interesting gimmick, but it will still be a gimmick nonetheless. 

If, for example, Blair &amp; Grant Hinkle won such a tournament, would that mean anything to anybody? I don&#039;t think so. They are both fine, respectable players, but the best poker-playing family? Hardly. 

A single event isn&#039;t enough to make someone the greatest, even if it&#039;s the WSOP Main Event. Barry &amp; Jeff Shulman would definitely move up the list, but you&#039;re on crack if you think they&#039;d deserve a higher rank than Doyle &amp; Todd Brunson. The Brunsons are clearly at the top of this list even if you take away Doyle&#039;s two Main Event bracelets (back when the field sizes were very small).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the country vs. country tournaments, a family vs. family tournament would just end up being a gimmick. It might be a fun or an interesting gimmick, but it will still be a gimmick nonetheless. </p>
<p>If, for example, Blair &amp; Grant Hinkle won such a tournament, would that mean anything to anybody? I don&#8217;t think so. They are both fine, respectable players, but the best poker-playing family? Hardly. </p>
<p>A single event isn&#8217;t enough to make someone the greatest, even if it&#8217;s the WSOP Main Event. Barry &amp; Jeff Shulman would definitely move up the list, but you&#8217;re on crack if you think they&#8217;d deserve a higher rank than Doyle &amp; Todd Brunson. The Brunsons are clearly at the top of this list even if you take away Doyle&#8217;s two Main Event bracelets (back when the field sizes were very small).</p>
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		<title>By: Poker Shrink</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171359</link>
		<dc:creator>Poker Shrink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still waiting for the sickest father-son mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still waiting for the sickest father-son mention.</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171358</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know ... if Happy were to win the Main Event, I&#039;d think the Shulmans would have a decent claim to being the &quot;First Family of Poker&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know &#8230; if Happy were to win the Main Event, I&#8217;d think the Shulmans would have a decent claim to being the &#8220;First Family of Poker&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171357</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BJ, I had no intentions of starting an official list, which is why i left the criteria so vague and open. i just really couldn&#039;t think of that many &quot;families&quot; ... but I knew there had to be more than two &quot;great&quot; ones. 

i think i wanna see a tournament to sort this out. it would be like The Amazing Race. (Might also be funny to see the divorced couples get back together just for the chance to win money!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BJ, I had no intentions of starting an official list, which is why i left the criteria so vague and open. i just really couldn&#8217;t think of that many &#8220;families&#8221; &#8230; but I knew there had to be more than two &#8220;great&#8221; ones. </p>
<p>i think i wanna see a tournament to sort this out. it would be like The Amazing Race. (Might also be funny to see the divorced couples get back together just for the chance to win money!)</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Nemeth</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171353</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also include both nominations from ThePokerPlayah. Tim and Tom West both play in a fair number of top live tournaments too. 

Dan, are you only looking for families that are currently active? If a poker-playing member of a family is dead, then I think they should still count. By that logic, I would also include divorced couples, provided that they both played poker while they were married -- such as Bill &amp; Kristy Gazes and Carlos &amp; Cecelia Mortensen. If you&#039;re restricting the list to active families, then I can see leaving off the divorced couples, but you&#039;d also have to leave off dead players (like Puggy Pearson). 

Again, it depends on what kind of list you&#039;re trying to compile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also include both nominations from ThePokerPlayah. Tim and Tom West both play in a fair number of top live tournaments too. </p>
<p>Dan, are you only looking for families that are currently active? If a poker-playing member of a family is dead, then I think they should still count. By that logic, I would also include divorced couples, provided that they both played poker while they were married &#8212; such as Bill &amp; Kristy Gazes and Carlos &amp; Cecelia Mortensen. If you&#8217;re restricting the list to active families, then I can see leaving off the divorced couples, but you&#8217;d also have to leave off dead players (like Puggy Pearson). </p>
<p>Again, it depends on what kind of list you&#8217;re trying to compile.</p>
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		<title>By: BJ Nemeth</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171352</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t believe I forgot Nick &amp; Michael Binger. They would rank pretty highly, in my opinion. Same with Ross and Barny Boatman. I always forget about Humberto&#039;s brothers, so I&#039;m not shocked that I forgot about them again here. 

Eric &amp; Alex Brenes have both won WPT titles, the only family members to accomplish that feat on the WPT. 

I think the criteria for this list (decent results in biggish events) is lower for y&#039;all than it is for me. Maybe it&#039;s because I spend most of my time in the industry at the biggest events, so I have a higher standard for what constitutes decent results in biggish events. It seems that you&#039;re including anyone who plays occasional tournaments or is involved in the industry (like Max Shapiro or Pam Brunson). 

That means Shirley and David Williams (mother &amp; son) should be put back on the list. 

Another possibility among the players we know is Steve Wong and Donna Varlotto. I&#039;m just not sure if they&#039;re formally married or not. 

I would also second everyone in Kevin Mathers&#039; most recent comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t believe I forgot Nick &amp; Michael Binger. They would rank pretty highly, in my opinion. Same with Ross and Barny Boatman. I always forget about Humberto&#8217;s brothers, so I&#8217;m not shocked that I forgot about them again here. </p>
<p>Eric &amp; Alex Brenes have both won WPT titles, the only family members to accomplish that feat on the WPT. </p>
<p>I think the criteria for this list (decent results in biggish events) is lower for y&#8217;all than it is for me. Maybe it&#8217;s because I spend most of my time in the industry at the biggest events, so I have a higher standard for what constitutes decent results in biggish events. It seems that you&#8217;re including anyone who plays occasional tournaments or is involved in the industry (like Max Shapiro or Pam Brunson). </p>
<p>That means Shirley and David Williams (mother &amp; son) should be put back on the list. </p>
<p>Another possibility among the players we know is Steve Wong and Donna Varlotto. I&#8217;m just not sure if they&#8217;re formally married or not. </p>
<p>I would also second everyone in Kevin Mathers&#8217; most recent comment.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePokerPlayah</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171347</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePokerPlayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the online world both Tom &quot;sbrounder&quot; West and Tim &quot;TMay420&quot; West are superstars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the online world both Tom &#8220;sbrounder&#8221; West and Tim &#8220;TMay420&#8243; West are superstars.</p>
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		<title>By: ThePokerPlayah</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171346</link>
		<dc:creator>ThePokerPlayah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prahlad Friedman and Dee Luong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prahlad Friedman and Dee Luong?</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy, how could I forget the Jetts! And though I don&#039;t know her name, Karina&#039;s mother has been beating me at tables since 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy, how could I forget the Jetts! And though I don&#8217;t know her name, Karina&#8217;s mother has been beating me at tables since 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Mathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Mathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also members of the Hendon Mob: Ross and Barny Boatman

On a lesser scale:

Vadim and Ilya Trincher

Other married couples:
Chip and Karina Jett
Ming and Chris Reslock
Nichoel Peppe and Tad Jurgens

Former husband/wife Carlos and Cecilia Mortensen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also members of the Hendon Mob: Ross and Barny Boatman</p>
<p>On a lesser scale:</p>
<p>Vadim and Ilya Trincher</p>
<p>Other married couples:<br />
Chip and Karina Jett<br />
Ming and Chris Reslock<br />
Nichoel Peppe and Tad Jurgens</p>
<p>Former husband/wife Carlos and Cecilia Mortensen</p>
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		<title>By: Haley</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171340</link>
		<dc:creator>Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes on Bingers</description>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/08/28/family-poker/comment-page-1/#comment-171338</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, wow, so it looks like we&#039;ve got ourselves a field. Now it&#039;s just a matter of coming up with a real way to rank them -- which may not be possible when you factor in intangibles. 

(Are the Bingers brothers, btw?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, wow, so it looks like we&#8217;ve got ourselves a field. Now it&#8217;s just a matter of coming up with a real way to rank them &#8212; which may not be possible when you factor in intangibles. </p>
<p>(Are the Bingers brothers, btw?)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Mathers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Mathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Costa Rican example: Humberto, Alex and Eric Brenes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Costa Rican example: Humberto, Alex and Eric Brenes</p>
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