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Mookman, I don’t think Duke or Leggett ever said the investigation was over, only that UB had upgraded and enlisted an entirely new security system to ensure that no one could ever compromise it again. They always acknowledged that certain parts of the investigation were ongoing, such as the reimbursements and the identification of usernames/accounts from the scandal. There were years worth of transactions to examine! The media pressured UB to speak, so Leggett and Duke did that, despite the ongoing investigation. And KGC never said the investigation was done until it just came out – on Sept. 11 – with its final report.

I’m not saying that every part of this situation is squeaky-clean and perfect, but I feel that some people are holding on to this so tightly that nothing anyone – KGC, UB, Tokwiro, or even the police – could ever say would make it better.

If there are people who are still owed money, they better be in constant communication with Tokwiro and the KGC to make sure it gets ironed out. At this point, if there is anyone who was cheated who just sits back and complains about it, my sympathy is gone. However, if they are actively pursuing their claims, whether personally or through legal means, I support that and would gladly publicize it if those people would come forward and tell their stories.

There is no doubt that Joe Norton sought to enrich himself when he got involved with UB and AP, and that the whole thing was a shell sale, but what you can’t seem to comprehend is that Joe Norton is not the KGC, and hasn’t been for the duration of the time Tokwiro (the business) has been a player in this affair. While I have no use for you, I admit that you still accomplished some good in helping to publish the court documents detailing the case between Tokwiro and Excapsa. However, you seem hell-bent on bludgeoning anyone who dares to disagree with you or doesn’t do what you want.

Good luck with that.

To Haley, sorry I pissed you off awhile back. But how can you not comment and ignore the fact that Blast Off, who bought UB, had ties to Russ Hamilton? Then all of a sudden it is not Joe Norton, using Tokwiro as a sole proprietorship of Blast-Off? No way he was the one buying it. I also have a hard time believing Pokernews hard-hitting efforts on this as you take in advertising money from UB.

Jen, at no point should any of this scandal be let go. It stinks of cover-up, just as the AP case. So you say it is ok for Paul or Annie to give out interviews, with facts proven to be wrong? The investigation was ongoing? huh? They pretended like it was over, then turned over the info to the KGC. How could UB get the timeline worng 3 times? How could they get the number of superuser accounts wrong 3 times? They were the ones that turned over the results to the KGC, so how could UB miss this stuff, but the KGC get it right?

Mookman, I have a quasi-interest in what you know about shorted investors and whatnot. Because I’ve heard stories of real people’s lives who have been destroyed in the midst of all this … dudes who have NOT gotten their money back because they had so much money transfered between them and RH … yet in reality they were likely the victim of his shenanigans … and since then have gone on downward spirals of financial ruin, divorce, drug addiction, etc.

At this point, there are some parts of this scandal that need to be let go. The fact that is was handled poorly in the beginning was something that everyone acknowledged, and they seem to have remedied that with an extremely thorough investigation. Yes, Paul Leggett and Annie Duke and even the KGC gave out figures that proved to be inaccurate, but that was because the investigation was still ongoing! They didn’t have all of the facts or accounts or usernames until the investigation was complete, which was this week. Personally, I felt that Leggett and Duke were being as honest and forthright as they could be at the time, given the information they had.

There will continue to be speculation about Hamilton’s 31 co-conspirators, and some people may even figure it out. Hell, there may even actually BE a criminal prosecution in the case. But until then, I think the grudges against UB have to be let go. I’m not saying that everyone should embrace the company and play poker there – I still will not – but the scandalous part of it has been cleared. Criminal part? Still pending, but it’s out of the KGC’s hands now.

Do you really believe that Joe Norton bought UB after UIGEA passed and Excapsa cold no longer be public? I have heard from many people, some investors that felt they were shorted, or still await compensaton, that the whole sale was a way for the original owners to further themselves from US prosecution while still getting their piece of the pie.

Perhaps the KGC, and MIT for that matter, are not giving special treatment to Mr. Norton. It all looks bad, but even if given the benefit of the doubt, this scandal was handled very poorly. How many times did COO Paul Leggett speak, UB press releases, or Annie Duke give, that were later proven to be inaccurate?

This is all damage control. Most likely this isn’t even the whole story. Either way, time will hopefully tell. This Final Report that took so long to come out with, really offered nothing new aside from the superuser list. Too bad in a week or so nobody will care anymore, that will be it, and back to business as usual for UB

One needs to also consider the future role the KGC wants to fulfill regarding international online gaming, and understand that the KGC has always been upon a spit here; they needed to make a concerted effort to investigate this and find out what happened, or perceptions would have been terrible. The tendency to think Norton received special treatment is counterbalanced by the KGC’s need to protect its own image in an era when multinational political battles over online gaming are heating up. Being considered “rogue” is not part of a long-term plan for success in any business, particularly this one.

Do I think the KGC has been overly patient in producing these findings? Sure, though it may be a cultural difference at play. But I also know that hundreds and hundreds or pages of evidence have been sifted through in this matter.

Virtually every one us, me included, goes through life with a bundleful of stereotypes and preconceptions. Sometimes those preconceptions are correct, but sometimes they aren’t.

I’m with Jen on this one, in that I understand why the KGC didn’t release the names. I’m pretty sure I already know four of the 31 anyway, not counting Hamilton, and I expect that many more of them will come out in the weeks and months ahead.