Comments on: RE: Face the Ace $85 Million Lawsuit http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/ Texas Hold'em and Las Vegas WSOP Poker Blog, now with PLO too! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Brandon McSmith http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176455 Brandon McSmith Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:37:21 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176455 What a surprise FTP under Federal Grand Jury Investigation about a month after the FBI contacted me. Hope I had something to do with it, I guess I'll find out in the next couple of weeks. On another point has anyone contacted or interviewed Poker PROductions/Mori Eskandani or NBC on their so called victory in District Court against me? Strange they haven't came out saying they had been vendicated or I was a liar or frankly suing me for their lawyer fees hmmmm should make you wonder. What a surprise FTP under Federal Grand Jury Investigation about a month after the FBI contacted me. Hope I had something to do with it, I guess I’ll find out in the next couple of weeks.

On another point has anyone contacted or interviewed Poker PROductions/Mori Eskandani or NBC on their so called victory in District Court against me? Strange they haven’t came out saying they had been vendicated or I was a liar or frankly suing me for their lawyer fees hmmmm should make you wonder.

]]> By: McSmith http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176152 McSmith Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:06:40 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176152 Of course they are colluding against me and I thank God that Arlo Delvin Brown took an interest and has the FBI investigating. That puts me in a great position. Like I said before I'm just going to wait until their investigation has concluded. I have over 2 years to file in Federal Court for copyright infringement. As far as them offering any money to just go away that probably won't happen because it is at a whole different level right now. If they come to me now with an offer logically they wouldn't want me to cooperate with any kind of prosecution. Which means they feel they could or would be charged by Mr. Brown. Now given the above statemnet what is the upside of me taking money just to go away. There is none at this point. Unfortunately for them now my focus is on criminal prosecution not a settlement. Having the US Attorney & FBI investigating is costing me absolutely nothing. Of course they are colluding against me and I thank God that Arlo Delvin Brown took an interest and has the FBI investigating. That puts me in a great position. Like I said before I’m just going to wait until their investigation has concluded. I have over 2 years to file in Federal Court for copyright infringement.

As far as them offering any money to just go away that probably won’t happen because it is at a whole different level right now. If they come to me now with an offer logically they wouldn’t want me to cooperate with any kind of prosecution. Which means they feel they could or would be charged by Mr. Brown.

Now given the above statemnet what is the upside of me taking money just to go away. There is none at this point. Unfortunately for them now my focus is on criminal prosecution not a settlement.

Having the US Attorney & FBI investigating is costing me absolutely nothing.

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176151 DanM Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:49:29 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176151 Brandon, I mean this with all due respect ... if at any point moving forward they offer you any money to simply go away -- take it. I know you've got your case mapped out, and it's a pretty good one ... but even if we grant you up front that everything you say is 100 percent completely true with no possible different opinion of it ... they will crush you. The system will crush you. The concept of chip-and-a-chair is nice and all, but you are up against three or four monster stacks -- and they're colluding against you! You told me on the phone that you are a family man. Think about that, before you throw yourself into debt trying work your way through a system where probably fewer than 1/10th of 1/10th of 1 percent are able to "win" representing themselves pro se. Think of the time and dedication it would take to succeed at anything against those odds. And now think about how slow the court system moves, and how many years it would be before you recouped anything. Not to be dramatic, but I think even if you did win and get, say, a few million dollars ... at what cost would that come, at what sacrifices to your family, and money or not, after spending so much time (that you'll never get back) ... will you really be able to say you won after all? Sorry for the sermon. Just my sincere way of saying, dude, negative EV. Brandon, I mean this with all due respect … if at any point moving forward they offer you any money to simply go away — take it. I know you’ve got your case mapped out, and it’s a pretty good one … but even if we grant you up front that everything you say is 100 percent completely true with no possible different opinion of it … they will crush you. The system will crush you. The concept of chip-and-a-chair is nice and all, but you are up against three or four monster stacks — and they’re colluding against you!

You told me on the phone that you are a family man. Think about that, before you throw yourself into debt trying work your way through a system where probably fewer than 1/10th of 1/10th of 1 percent are able to “win” representing themselves pro se. Think of the time and dedication it would take to succeed at anything against those odds. And now think about how slow the court system moves, and how many years it would be before you recouped anything.

Not to be dramatic, but I think even if you did win and get, say, a few million dollars … at what cost would that come, at what sacrifices to your family, and money or not, after spending so much time (that you’ll never get back) … will you really be able to say you won after all?

Sorry for the sermon. Just my sincere way of saying, dude, negative EV.

]]> By: McSmith http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176139 McSmith Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:30:27 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176139 Not worried about the dismissal I can still appeal. Judge Leavitt has to be the worst sitting judge in Nevada do the research on her. I still can file in Federal Court which is probably where it should have been in the first place as pointed out by the FBI agent. Now that they're involved I'm going to let them do their investigation as my focus is on criminal prosecution at this point. Not worried about the dismissal I can still appeal. Judge Leavitt has to be the worst sitting judge in Nevada do the research on her. I still can file in Federal Court which is probably where it should have been in the first place as pointed out by the FBI agent. Now that they’re involved I’m going to let them do their investigation as my focus is on criminal prosecution at this point.

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176028 DanM Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:31:39 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176028 That 4-figure settlement offer they gave to McSmith probably seems a bit nicer now. Wonder if the judge said -- who cares, even if they did steal it, YOU'D owe the poker community for unleashing this terrible show on the world. That 4-figure settlement offer they gave to McSmith probably seems a bit nicer now. Wonder if the judge said — who cares, even if they did steal it, YOU’D owe the poker community for unleashing this terrible show on the world.

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176027 Kevin Mathers Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:25:11 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176027 Not so fast my friend! <a href="http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/face-the-ace-lawsuit-dismissed-in-nevada-eighth-district-court-8856/" rel="nofollow">McSmith's lawsuit has been dismissed.</a> Not so fast my friend!

McSmith’s lawsuit has been dismissed.

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176015 DanM Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:48:33 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176015 Maybe Clonie should think about hiring McSmith's attorney. Maybe Clonie should think about hiring McSmith’s attorney.

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-176014 Kevin Mathers Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:51:46 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-176014 McSmith says he's now got the FBI involved: http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/fbi-joins-face-the-ace-copyright-infringement-investigation-8807/ McSmith says he’s now got the FBI involved:

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/fbi-joins-face-the-ace-copyright-infringement-investigation-8807/

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-175363 Kevin Mathers Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:15:08 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-175363 Brandon McSmith interview with Poker News Daily: http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/brandon-mcsmith-claims-rights-to-face-the-ace-7822/ Brandon McSmith interview with Poker News Daily:

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/brandon-mcsmith-claims-rights-to-face-the-ace-7822/

]]> By: DanM http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172258 DanM Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:19:16 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172258 But that's the thing about network TV ... even a "bomb" is still a success for an online site. But that’s the thing about network TV … even a “bomb” is still a success for an online site.

]]> By: Joey Dawe http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172257 Joey Dawe Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:17:00 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172257 It will be PokerStars Management inside a room picking the 21 videos THEY want from over 2,000 winners( who can't be in the final playoff) who have no say although they won their tournament. And so the "final playoff" for someone to play Negreanu will be handpicked by PokerStars. The scandal at Ulimate Bet was going on for years before it was found out. This just don,t smell right. I think both shows will have bad players and ratings. My last post on this so have the last comment. Best of luck in life. Joey It will be PokerStars Management inside a room picking the 21 videos THEY want from over 2,000 winners( who can’t be in the final playoff) who have no say although they won their tournament. And so the “final playoff” for someone to play Negreanu will be handpicked by PokerStars. The scandal at Ulimate Bet was going on for years before it was found out. This just don,t smell right. I think both shows will have bad players and ratings. My last post on this so have the last comment. Best of luck in life.

Joey

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172254 Kevin Mathers Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:33:56 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172254 When PokerStars has a scandal about people inside the company or associates seeing the hole cards, then you'll have a point. A TV show that's a paid commercial for a poker site is nowhere close to that. Also, there is a "final playoff" for someone to play Negreanu for $1,000,000: http://www.pokerstars.net/poker/promotions/millions/faq/ When PokerStars has a scandal about people inside the company or associates seeing the hole cards, then you’ll have a point.
A TV show that’s a paid commercial for a poker site is nowhere close to that.

Also, there is a “final playoff” for someone to play Negreanu for $1,000,000:

http://www.pokerstars.net/poker/promotions/millions/faq/

]]> By: Joey Dawe http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172248 Joey Dawe Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:19:40 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172248 No,my point is that no Poker site should have the power to say who the winners are without a final play off.The site that has that power is getting a little to close to the Russ Hamilton cheating scandal that erupted on Ultimate Bet. No,my point is that no Poker site should have the power to say who the winners are without a final play off.The site that has that power is getting a little to close to the Russ Hamilton cheating scandal that erupted on Ultimate Bet.

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172241 Kevin Mathers Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:53:11 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172241 Your point is the players with the biggest bank account on Stars are going to appear on the show. Also, with Stars they're trying to weed out the dull/annoying people who made their way onto Face the Ace to make a better show. Your point is the players with the biggest bank account on Stars are going to appear on the show. Also, with Stars they’re trying to weed out the dull/annoying people who made their way onto Face the Ace to make a better show.

]]> By: Joey Dawe http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172237 Joey Dawe Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:33:44 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172237 Not flawed Kevin. On Face The Ace you have to finish first in a 180 or 360 man tournament to win a ticket to another tourney where you have to finish in the top 100 or so out of about 3,000 and that gets you a ticket to the final where you face 10,000 and you would have to finish in the top 10. Much harder i would say. And you say the only way to win is to make the top 10 of a freeroll. You only win the right to make a video with about 2,500 other winners of which Stars gets to pick the 21 they want. Full-Tilt got no control who wins and Stars got all the control. Not flawed Kevin. On Face The Ace you have to finish first in a 180 or 360 man tournament to win a ticket to another tourney where you have to finish in the top 100 or so out of about 3,000 and that gets you a ticket to the final where you face 10,000 and you would have to finish in the top 10. Much harder i would say. And you say the only way to win is to make the top 10 of a freeroll. You only win the right to make a video with about 2,500 other winners of which Stars gets to pick the 21 they want. Full-Tilt got no control who wins and Stars got all the control.

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172222 Kevin Mathers Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:31:16 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172222 Considering the only way to win is to make the top 10 of a freeroll, your argument is severely flawed. Considering the only way to win is to make the top 10 of a freeroll, your argument is severely flawed.

]]> By: Joey Dawe http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172217 Joey Dawe Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:50:38 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172217 PokerStars Million Dollar Challenge will beat Face The Ace as the worst show on tv IMO. At least you win your way on Face The Ace by playing 3 rounds of poker. PokerStars picks their winner's from a video that will be sent in. They say they will know the winner's when they see the video,s. Sure they will. The winner's will be the one,s with the biggest bank accounts on Stars. They won't want to pi.. them off. PokerStars Million Dollar Challenge will beat Face The Ace as the worst show on tv IMO. At least you win your way on Face The Ace by playing 3 rounds of poker. PokerStars picks their winner’s from a video that will be sent in. They say they will know the winner’s when they see the video,s. Sure they will. The winner’s will be the one,s with the biggest bank accounts on Stars. They won’t want to pi.. them off.

]]> By: Kevin Mathers http://pokerati.com/2009/09/16/re-face-the-ace-85-million-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-172043 Kevin Mathers Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:59:42 +0000 http://pokerati.com/?p=11907#comment-172043 This clip is less annoying than three of the first four contestants on the show. This clip is less annoying than three of the first four contestants on the show.

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