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	<title>Comments on: Phil Hellmuth Fires First Shot at Harrah&#8217;sThreatens WSOP secession</title>
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		<title>By: Poker Shrink</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172458</link>
		<dc:creator>Poker Shrink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... and yes Dan, I did retire but you know how cantankerous old guys hang around and harass folks about the good olde days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. and yes Dan, I did retire but you know how cantankerous old guys hang around and harass folks about the good olde days.</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172452</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dinosaur, I agree with you about the staying power of the WSOP -- it&#039;s an organic being with a life of its own, that will survive regardless of who owns it or competes with it so long as people are still playing poker.

But I gotta think you are wrong about Harrah&#039;s comping Phil Hellmuth&#039;s stay in Las Vegas. If they put him up, then they&#039;ve gotta offer the same courtesy to Doyle, and maybe Negreanu ... and what about the Players Advisory Council (Committee?) who actually do work for Harrah&#039;s. Greg Raymer ... Chris Moneymaker ... and what about the old-timers in town for a special event?

Phil may be an important part of the WSOP ... and really, he does a lot for it. But the WSOP is still way bigger than that -- and it doesn&#039;t need ANY one pro or superstar. If Phil Hellmuth didn&#039;t show up, it would still go on. Likewise for Doyle. It&#039;s what some of them I don&#039;t think realize -- the event is bigger than any one of them, or any three of them for that matter. After all, it seems to do fine even without much use of Johnny Chan and his 10 bracelets.

If they&#039;re going to spend the money -- because the Rio presumably would bill the WSOP -- I&#039;d rather have them put that into prize pools ... or better yet, media food/booze comps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dinosaur, I agree with you about the staying power of the WSOP &#8212; it&#8217;s an organic being with a life of its own, that will survive regardless of who owns it or competes with it so long as people are still playing poker.</p>
<p>But I gotta think you are wrong about Harrah&#8217;s comping Phil Hellmuth&#8217;s stay in Las Vegas. If they put him up, then they&#8217;ve gotta offer the same courtesy to Doyle, and maybe Negreanu &#8230; and what about the Players Advisory Council (Committee?) who actually do work for Harrah&#8217;s. Greg Raymer &#8230; Chris Moneymaker &#8230; and what about the old-timers in town for a special event?</p>
<p>Phil may be an important part of the WSOP &#8230; and really, he does a lot for it. But the WSOP is still way bigger than that &#8212; and it doesn&#8217;t need ANY one pro or superstar. If Phil Hellmuth didn&#8217;t show up, it would still go on. Likewise for Doyle. It&#8217;s what some of them I don&#8217;t think realize &#8212; the event is bigger than any one of them, or any three of them for that matter. After all, it seems to do fine even without much use of Johnny Chan and his 10 bracelets.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re going to spend the money &#8212; because the Rio presumably would bill the WSOP &#8212; I&#8217;d rather have them put that into prize pools &#8230; or better yet, media food/booze comps.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Mathers</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172447</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Mathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listening to an interview with Phil on the Poker Show Live in the UK, he mentioned he, Chan and Brunson couldn&#039;t be on the PAC because they&#039;ve won the most WSOP bracelets.  Apparently, if they were on the PAC, they&#039;d set the rules to shut out the lower end players or something (in his mind).  He was also talking about how he needs to cut back on his ego until he wins something again.  That appeared to last until the end of the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to an interview with Phil on the Poker Show Live in the UK, he mentioned he, Chan and Brunson couldn&#8217;t be on the PAC because they&#8217;ve won the most WSOP bracelets.  Apparently, if they were on the PAC, they&#8217;d set the rules to shut out the lower end players or something (in his mind).  He was also talking about how he needs to cut back on his ego until he wins something again.  That appeared to last until the end of the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Schneider</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172445</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a hint for Phil.  If you want the Rio to pick up RFB, have your wife play video poker and slots for about 10 days.

Why should the Rio pay for his RFB?  Hasn&#039;t the WSOP done enough for Phil?  His ridiculous entrances are staged by UB to promote that site.  Allowing that display and providing the camera time is all he should need from the Rio.  Have UB pay his RFB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a hint for Phil.  If you want the Rio to pick up RFB, have your wife play video poker and slots for about 10 days.</p>
<p>Why should the Rio pay for his RFB?  Hasn&#8217;t the WSOP done enough for Phil?  His ridiculous entrances are staged by UB to promote that site.  Allowing that display and providing the camera time is all he should need from the Rio.  Have UB pay his RFB.</p>
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		<title>By: Dinosaur</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172436</link>
		<dc:creator>Dinosaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WSOP is a historical institution that is immune from the threats of the online community.  It existed before the online community, and it will exist regardless of the outcome of legislation in the U.S. relative to online poker or any alliances formed by the online community.

Phil is right about one thing, though, the WSOP should have picked up his RFB at the WSOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSOP is a historical institution that is immune from the threats of the online community.  It existed before the online community, and it will exist regardless of the outcome of legislation in the U.S. relative to online poker or any alliances formed by the online community.</p>
<p>Phil is right about one thing, though, the WSOP should have picked up his RFB at the WSOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s weird, but as a poker fan who plays in lame free tournaments and 50 cent cash games (sometimes)... I still LOVE watching Phil on ESPN. I know there&#039;s better players and what-not, but Phil is solely for entertainment in my eyes. He talks about his hands, gives players information, and can&#039;t play much else than No-limit, but damn he is fun to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s weird, but as a poker fan who plays in lame free tournaments and 50 cent cash games (sometimes)&#8230; I still LOVE watching Phil on ESPN. I know there&#8217;s better players and what-not, but Phil is solely for entertainment in my eyes. He talks about his hands, gives players information, and can&#8217;t play much else than No-limit, but damn he is fun to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Mathers</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172334</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Mathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Charles Manson:

http://deathbeeper.com/3882224.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Charles Manson:</p>
<p><a href="http://deathbeeper.com/3882224.html" rel="nofollow">http://deathbeeper.com/3882224.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172331</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, Johnny? That&#039;s all you got? PH = CM or SS in an implausible sitch? I expect better from you ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, Johnny? That&#8217;s all you got? PH = CM or SS in an implausible sitch? I expect better from you &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hughes</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172329</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did they select Phil Hellmuth as a spokesperson because Charles Manson and Sirhan Sirhan turned them down???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they select Phil Hellmuth as a spokesperson because Charles Manson and Sirhan Sirhan turned them down???</p>
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		<title>By: scott diamond</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172321</link>
		<dc:creator>scott diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Bill as long as ON Line gets legalized and is regulated properly I would be happy because they are so important to us B&amp;M players.

If you have ever read any of my post in the forums you would know I am not a big fan of some of the On Line sites, so your post makes a TON of sense and hopefully things will change for the better soon, take care.

Oh Dan if you are reading this, can you change my website info to Bluffmagazine.com...Ty sir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Bill as long as ON Line gets legalized and is regulated properly I would be happy because they are so important to us B&amp;M players.</p>
<p>If you have ever read any of my post in the forums you would know I am not a big fan of some of the On Line sites, so your post makes a TON of sense and hopefully things will change for the better soon, take care.</p>
<p>Oh Dan if you are reading this, can you change my website info to Bluffmagazine.com&#8230;Ty sir</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rini</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172320</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@diamond:  Yes, I do.  What &quot;power&quot; do Tilt are Stars have in the US?  None.  Meanwhile Harrah&#039;s is an $11 billion a year corporation with decades of lobbying pull behind them.  

@harris:  Why partner with someone who is defenseless?  What would the Venetian hope to accomplish?  Get their customer list?  If Tilt and Stars cannot operate in the US their customer list is about as valuable as a phone book.  

Bottom line is you have to follow the fish.  If a big US land based casino gets a leg up on the online guys the fish will flow to the land based casino&#039;s online room.  Think about it, if the fish have a choice between a legal, licensed, and regulated casino vs. playing at some overseas casino where are they going to go?  Especially if Harrah&#039;s or MGM can take credit cards, do direct bank debits, etc. while the overseas guys still have payment processor issues.  It&#039;s a no-brainer at the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@diamond:  Yes, I do.  What &#8220;power&#8221; do Tilt are Stars have in the US?  None.  Meanwhile Harrah&#8217;s is an $11 billion a year corporation with decades of lobbying pull behind them.  </p>
<p>@harris:  Why partner with someone who is defenseless?  What would the Venetian hope to accomplish?  Get their customer list?  If Tilt and Stars cannot operate in the US their customer list is about as valuable as a phone book.  </p>
<p>Bottom line is you have to follow the fish.  If a big US land based casino gets a leg up on the online guys the fish will flow to the land based casino&#8217;s online room.  Think about it, if the fish have a choice between a legal, licensed, and regulated casino vs. playing at some overseas casino where are they going to go?  Especially if Harrah&#8217;s or MGM can take credit cards, do direct bank debits, etc. while the overseas guys still have payment processor issues.  It&#8217;s a no-brainer at the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Mathers</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172319</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Mathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to insert a Godfather III reference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to insert a Godfather III reference?</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172318</link>
		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shrink, didn&#039;t you retire? I was about to write your (poker media) obituary ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shrink, didn&#8217;t you retire? I was about to write your (poker media) obituary &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Poker Shrink</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172316</link>
		<dc:creator>Poker Shrink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many Harrah&#039;s employees were there on the grassy knoll?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many Harrah&#8217;s employees were there on the grassy knoll?</p>
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		<title>By: scott diamond</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172315</link>
		<dc:creator>scott diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Harris!!</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m officially terrified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m officially terrified.</p>
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172313</link>
		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought, but if Garber and Party Poker essentially partnered with Harrahs to create a site that is ready to go the moment the legislation is in place and there is a possibility of UB, Tilt, and Stars (the big three I&#039;ll call them) being shut out; Why wouldn&#039;t the big three try and allign themselves with someone like MGM, Boyd Gaming, Sands Corp, or even Steve Wynn to compete?  Seems like the logical step to me.   

I realize that Harrahs has the all important WSOP but the Venetian has 2,000,000 sqft of convention space and treats their players a lot better than Harrahs.  If the big three went to Adelson and said look, we will do everything in our power to bring you all our players next summer, you just expand the Deep Stack Extravaganza to give us the space and tournaments compairable to the WSOP.  Oh, and by the way we&#039;re going to bring along Fox Sports Net for TV coverage and give you a cut (already affiliated with Tilt I believe).  All you have to do is let us design and impliment an online gaming site in partnership with you to let us compete with Harrahs once the legislation is in place.  You get a BIG cut of that too.  I think they would have Harrahs all in and drawing dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought, but if Garber and Party Poker essentially partnered with Harrahs to create a site that is ready to go the moment the legislation is in place and there is a possibility of UB, Tilt, and Stars (the big three I&#8217;ll call them) being shut out; Why wouldn&#8217;t the big three try and allign themselves with someone like MGM, Boyd Gaming, Sands Corp, or even Steve Wynn to compete?  Seems like the logical step to me.   </p>
<p>I realize that Harrahs has the all important WSOP but the Venetian has 2,000,000 sqft of convention space and treats their players a lot better than Harrahs.  If the big three went to Adelson and said look, we will do everything in our power to bring you all our players next summer, you just expand the Deep Stack Extravaganza to give us the space and tournaments compairable to the WSOP.  Oh, and by the way we&#8217;re going to bring along Fox Sports Net for TV coverage and give you a cut (already affiliated with Tilt I believe).  All you have to do is let us design and impliment an online gaming site in partnership with you to let us compete with Harrahs once the legislation is in place.  You get a BIG cut of that too.  I think they would have Harrahs all in and drawing dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Fifth Street Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fifth Street Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The threat of scandals in the online poker community isn&#039;t going to sway congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The threat of scandals in the online poker community isn&#8217;t going to sway congress.</p>
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		<title>By: scott diamond</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/09/23/phil-hellmuth-fires-first-shot-at-harrahsthreatens-wsop-secession/comment-page-1/#comment-172311</link>
		<dc:creator>scott diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But Stars or Tilt? hahaha. If you had the power why would you not drive them out of the market?&quot;

Do you really think Harrah&#039;s or any other entity will have the power to keep PS or FT or Doyles Room etc. from being in the USA Market?

I am not sure they can or will even publicly state they will try as this will create another scandal of sorts in the On Line Poker Community in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But Stars or Tilt? hahaha. If you had the power why would you not drive them out of the market?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think Harrah&#8217;s or any other entity will have the power to keep PS or FT or Doyles Room etc. from being in the USA Market?</p>
<p>I am not sure they can or will even publicly state they will try as this will create another scandal of sorts in the On Line Poker Community in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Rini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Rini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course not, MGM will be allowed to play too :-)

But Stars or Tilt?  hahaha.  If you had the power why would you not drive them out of the market?

Quit thinking about this from a player&#039;s preservative an start thinking about what you would do if you were Mitch Garber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course not, MGM will be allowed to play too <img src='http://pokerati.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But Stars or Tilt?  hahaha.  If you had the power why would you not drive them out of the market?</p>
<p>Quit thinking about this from a player&#8217;s preservative an start thinking about what you would do if you were Mitch Garber.</p>
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