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		<title>By: ChrisC</title>
		<link>http://pokerati.com/2009/11/13/spreading-the-poker-word/comment-page-1/#comment-174027</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree after looking into the issue more that we are not &quot;under the radar&quot;, but I still think that with the other issues like health care on the table this will not be &quot;center stage&quot; in the grande scheme of things. 

Dan I definitly agree with you about US based sites.  We put most of the money in play and could get a big advantage in the online market.

Engineer,

What can people like myself do to help the issue and get others involved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree after looking into the issue more that we are not &#8220;under the radar&#8221;, but I still think that with the other issues like health care on the table this will not be &#8220;center stage&#8221; in the grande scheme of things. </p>
<p>Dan I definitly agree with you about US based sites.  We put most of the money in play and could get a big advantage in the online market.</p>
<p>Engineer,</p>
<p>What can people like myself do to help the issue and get others involved?</p>
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		<title>By: TheEngineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheEngineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DanM,

I&#039;d be happy if they just left poker alone.  US-based sites could offer games regulated within their states and would enjoy a competitive advantage over offshore sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DanM,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be happy if they just left poker alone.  US-based sites could offer games regulated within their states and would enjoy a competitive advantage over offshore sites.</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, i so agree with you about under the radar ... that&#039;s what you need to do for stuff without popular support (like the UIGEA) ... not things where all the numbers are on your side. At least that&#039;s what I seem to be learning. 

i think your toughest argument with a lot of conservatives now is convincing them that regulation isn&#039;t necessarily the same as Big Government. I mean sure, it could grow into that, but those are fights for a later day, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, i so agree with you about under the radar &#8230; that&#8217;s what you need to do for stuff without popular support (like the UIGEA) &#8230; not things where all the numbers are on your side. At least that&#8217;s what I seem to be learning. </p>
<p>i think your toughest argument with a lot of conservatives now is convincing them that regulation isn&#8217;t necessarily the same as Big Government. I mean sure, it could grow into that, but those are fights for a later day, no?</p>
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		<title>By: TheEngineer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheEngineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisC,

I don&#039;t see that as an issue.  IMO, we&#039;re not under anyone&#039;s radar.   Our opponents are doing all they can to stop us.  Check out http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/152/fight-poker-rights-ppa/federal-online-poker-gaming-legislation-history-575712 for history.  In the past, they thought they could do this with impunity.  They need to know that many of us will stand up for our rights, and that there is a political cost associated with opposing our right to play.

Additionally, the anti-gaming zealots have convinced conservative politicians that conservative are supposed to oppose our right to play.  I think we need to make the case that this is not true.

Finally, none of our progress has been made by sneaking under the radar.  When we were quiet, we lost the UIGEA House vote 317-93 (it was free standing at that time, too).  The progress we&#039;re seeing now is a DIRECT result of poker players telling their Congressman that they demand their rights and of PPA&#039;s lobbying.

Thanks for reading my article.

Rich Muny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisC,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that as an issue.  IMO, we&#8217;re not under anyone&#8217;s radar.   Our opponents are doing all they can to stop us.  Check out <a href="http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/152/fight-poker-rights-ppa/federal-online-poker-gaming-legislation-history-575712" rel="nofollow">http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/152/fight-poker-rights-ppa/federal-online-poker-gaming-legislation-history-575712</a> for history.  In the past, they thought they could do this with impunity.  They need to know that many of us will stand up for our rights, and that there is a political cost associated with opposing our right to play.</p>
<p>Additionally, the anti-gaming zealots have convinced conservative politicians that conservative are supposed to oppose our right to play.  I think we need to make the case that this is not true.</p>
<p>Finally, none of our progress has been made by sneaking under the radar.  When we were quiet, we lost the UIGEA House vote 317-93 (it was free standing at that time, too).  The progress we&#8217;re seeing now is a DIRECT result of poker players telling their Congressman that they demand their rights and of PPA&#8217;s lobbying.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading my article.</p>
<p>Rich Muny</p>
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		<title>By: DanM</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno. I think that&#039;s the thing ... poker will always be seen as gambling, as much as we know it is different from the other games. So we have to pass something even with that as part of the deal.

The judicial system is generally able to figure out the whole game of skill thing ... but the legislative branch, even if they get that, don&#039;t care, because they always want to include other gambling stuff with it as well. 

I&#039;m watching this delay-process closely, because I&#039;ve never seen this sorta matter run up the executive-branch flagpole before, so no clue how it will play out. 

But I do fear ... what do they stand to gain politically by simply delaying? It seems to me that they have to eat all the political risk without a chance for any gain. Inverse freeroll probably not the way to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno. I think that&#8217;s the thing &#8230; poker will always be seen as gambling, as much as we know it is different from the other games. So we have to pass something even with that as part of the deal.</p>
<p>The judicial system is generally able to figure out the whole game of skill thing &#8230; but the legislative branch, even if they get that, don&#8217;t care, because they always want to include other gambling stuff with it as well. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m watching this delay-process closely, because I&#8217;ve never seen this sorta matter run up the executive-branch flagpole before, so no clue how it will play out. </p>
<p>But I do fear &#8230; what do they stand to gain politically by simply delaying? It seems to me that they have to eat all the political risk without a chance for any gain. Inverse freeroll probably not the way to go?</p>
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		<title>By: chrisC</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think if it is amped up too much we could get some backlash?  My only fear on the issue is that people still feel that poker is gambling i.e. blackjack, craps, ect.  In my mind we seem to be pretty close to getting things through under the radar so to speak.  

On a side note I just got back from vegas and the poker is not as lively as it was when I last went.  Online may be the only place to get a game someday. Well its not that bad but not what it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think if it is amped up too much we could get some backlash?  My only fear on the issue is that people still feel that poker is gambling i.e. blackjack, craps, ect.  In my mind we seem to be pretty close to getting things through under the radar so to speak.  </p>
<p>On a side note I just got back from vegas and the poker is not as lively as it was when I last went.  Online may be the only place to get a game someday. Well its not that bad but not what it was.</p>
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