Yet Another Full Tilt Lawsuit: Not Bots, Plaintiffs Say

by , Oct 1, 2009 | 10:47 pm

Two players in California have sued presumable principals of Full Tilt Poker in LA Superior Court. Lary Kennedy (aka Poker Girl) and Greg Omotoy (a Vegas-reared LA nightclub manager) claim that Full Tilt confiscated $80,000 from their accounts, believing they were bots.

We haven’t seen the legal docs yet, but named in the lawsuit: Chris Ferguson, Mike Matusow, Howard Lederer, and Phil Ivey (a November Niner).

From TMZ.com:

Poker Legends Sued for Robot Fraud

For all the obvious attempted shakedowns and plausibly legit payment beefs, this one (not sure how much they are seeking in damages) could be downright fascinating — on its surface at least — because it cuts to some key issues that are super-relevant to the past, present, and future of online poker … where the decisions any court renders (assuming there’s at least a smidgen of factual basis for the claim) affect not just the plaintiffs and defendants, but 10s of thousands if not millions of players.

I remember thinking when that PokerStars WCOOP 2007 champ, TheV0id, got her $1.2 million prize-money re-distributed, and ZeeJustin for that matter … they have theoretical American dollars ganked from them for alleged rule violations, and yet no recourse should they disagree with the site’s ruling nor a valid, independent avenue of dispute. It’s like Guantanamo Bay in Pokerstarzistan, man, and likewise for Full Tilt, which can serve as judge, jury, and executioner when it comes to deciding what to do with its players’ money.

The ironic thing … Howard Lederer, who seems to be the guy-with-the-money attorneys always have their sights set on, is arguably THE BIGGEST fighter for an American regulatory system that would remove this power from online poker sites, his own included. In the world he’s pushing for (and spending shitloads of money on), Full Tilt and PokerStars would essentially have to relinquishcontrol over matters of fiscal disagreement with their customers.

Top it off with claims in this suit that Full Tilt may seat bots at its own tables. Supposed word is that Full Tilt absolutely does not — and if that’s the case the suit becomes questionable. I don’t have an opinion on whether or not that would be a good or bad thing … but it’s a reality that will have to be dealt with in the future. Does your American-friendly site use bots? Is that OK? Should they have to disclose their identities? And if not, why don’t real human players get to use under multiple accounts and/or screen names?

We’ll have to see how much Omotoy and Kennedy are suing for. That will tell a lot about whether they’re just throwin’ shit against the wall to see what sticks or if they have a legitimate beef in wanting to prove that, hey … we’re not bots, give us our friggin’ money back and/or let us take our business elsewhere.


9 Comments to “Yet Another Full Tilt Lawsuit: Not Bots, Plaintiffs Say”


  1. Kevin Mathers
    says:

    I think you meant this link:

    http://playpokergirltexash.blogspot.com/


  2. DanM
    says:

    Is that the same person? I just googled her name and found that other guy mentioning her in his non-poker blog. She’s in there … scroll about 2/3 down.

    “Poker Girl” in and of itself tells us little. But their can’t be too many Lary Kennedys with one R who play poker.


  3. Brian G.
    says:

    Keep us updated on this. I am an attorney and I can read between the lines on how Full Tilt acts.


  4. Kevin Mathers
    says:

    Dan,

    The blog you link to is by Byron Lee. Along the right is the site of blogs/websites Byron recommends, which mentions Poker Girl.


  5. Jack
    says:

    No bots….right….don’t look at the man behind the curtain and keep those rose colored glasses on. Well, into the second year of waiting for a response and my money from UB. Lies, lies, lies….Full Tilt and Poker Stars are only slightly better.


  6. Kris
    says:

    I would LOVE to see this become a class action lawsuit!!!!! It is a running joke in the online poker world that these sites are rigged but its TRUE!!!!! Its a strange thing that i LIVE off of live poker but can’t make a dollar off of online poker.

    There is something SERIOUS wrong with a program that makes players FAR MORE surprised when a 2 outter doesn’t hit then when it does!!!! I don’t care how many hands you play take and small or large segment and sort out the odds I guarentee is an independent study is done on a segment of past hands the more hands they look at the more the odds will be scued WAY OUT OF WACK!!!!

    Poker players need to unite and jump on this lawsuit its time we bring them down!!! At the very least force some sort of independent control of the programs these sites are running.

    Its so sad that the game of poker will be crippled when all this finally comes out but its their own fault!!! All they had to do was count the money, the the rake keep on rolling but KNOW as always GREED rules all, free money wasn’t fast enough so they had to mess with the odds to keep the crap players coming back. Its sick its almost like a handicapp for idiocrisy except worse.


  7. Kevin Mathers
    says:

    Here’s the complaint:

    http://playpokergirl.com/fulltilt_complaint.pdf


  8. Dustin
    says:

    That’s the greatest thing I’ve seen all day.


  9. The truth
    says:

    Full Tilt POKER IS A SCAM FULL STOP
    Say what you want but this is the truth

    Its uses bots to speed up tournaments = sorter tournament plus more tournaments played in a day = more rake + les payouts

    Creates action flop for bigger pot = more rake

    When you deposit you will win 100% to the value of your deposit after that you well lose it all
    And you will not win a thing until you deposit again = deposit $300 win $300 = 100%

    Withdraw scam = when you withdraw your user name is put in a list whats this list dose
    Is it gives you worse odds on wining so if you wore 50% 50% to win a hand it’s more like 15% 85%

    Odds mean noting at Full Tilt

    Y do you think it’s call Full Tilt made by Tilt ware it puts you on tilt so you lose more money

    Plus the software is flawed and you can beat it whit a bit of Know How

    Trust me I know what I am talking about