Bad Beat Play of the Day Whenever

Third-nuts is no good

by , Nov 7, 2008 | 2:02 am

First off, let me tiltily say I’m a little pissed at Tom, who paid our election bet via PokerStars. Granted, I told him that would be fine … after all, Tom is different from most people in the poker biz, in that he likes to pay off his debts as soon as possible … but as a non-frequent casher-outer on Stars, I didn’t know I couldn’t withdraw these recently deposited funds for 48 hours.

Total bullshit! Though I still for the life of me can’t see how this is any different from transferring funds via TD Ameritrade, it’s not cool to know these winnings are still at risk! I mean my goodness, an extra chunk of cash, right there just a few clicks away from games bigger than I usually play? How on earth could any reasonable degenerate be expected to resist?!?

The set-up below: I had been playing at this table for 15 or 20 minutes … started with $200, and my stack was at its session peak when the hand began. While my first mistake was probably even just being in the hand, this was 6-max NL, baby! Am I wrong to think this is a game of trying to out-felt each other? Grinding is for full tables, and limit … I knew what I was doing here.*

Ugh. So greedy. What’s even worse is pocket 9s is pretty much what I put him on … possibly the nut flush draw, but probably pocket 9s or 10s … even before the river hit. When it did, I quickly assessed the sitch and decided he didn’t have the straight flush, but then I just pretended that 99 also was unlikely. Pretending can’t generally be the right move. How hard, really, in wild-crazy shorthanded NL, should it have been to just call his first bet on the chance that he did indeed hit his two-outer?

* As I say this stuff, I really do believe it, but it really just doesn’t sound like it should be right.

Textual hand history below:

PokerStars Game #21824487276: Hold’em No Limit ($2/$4) – 2008/11/07 0:44:41 ET
Table ‘Grogler II’ 6-max Seat #4 is the button

Seat 1: StitzDogg ($400 in chips)
Seat 3: RiverDan72 ($355.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Sunking25 ($136 in chips)
Seat 5: MrteddyKGB ($470 in chips)
Seat 6: TheKaas ($887.40 in chips)
MrteddyKGB: posts small blind $2
TheKaas: posts big blind $4
arfur: sits out

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RiverDan72 [6h 8s]
StitzDogg: folds
RiverDan72: calls $4
Sunking25: folds
MrteddyKGB: calls $2
TheKaas: checks

*** FLOP *** [8h 6s 5c]
MrteddyKGB: bets $8
TheKaas: folds
RiverDan72: raises $20 to $28
MrteddyKGB: calls $20

*** TURN *** [8h 6s 5c] [8c]
MrteddyKGB: checks
RiverDan72: checks

*** RIVER *** [8h 6s 5c 8c] [9c]
MrteddyKGB: bets $20
RiverDan72: raises $52 to $72
MrteddyKGB: raises $366 to $438 and is all-in
RiverDan72: calls $251.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($114.50) returned to MrteddyKGB

*** SHOW DOWN ***
MrteddyKGB: shows [9s 9h] (a full house, Nines full of Eights)
RiverDan72: mucks hand
MrteddyKGB collected $713 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $715 | Rake $2
Board [8h 6s 5c 8c 9c]
Seat 1: StitzDogg folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 3: RiverDan72 mucked [6h 8s]
Seat 4: Sunking25 (button) folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 5: MrteddyKGB (small blind) showed [9s 9h] and won ($713) with a full house, Nines full of Eights
Seat 6: TheKaas (big blind) folded on the Flop

6 Comments to “Bad Beat Play of the Day Whenever”

  1. donkey

    Wow! looks like something you see on Casino Royale

  2. TR

    Need to bet that turn

  3. DanM

    No way … we’d still probably end up getting it all-in that way, because he can’t put me on my hand, and, because he didn’t raise pre-flop, I can’t really put him on his. (I can take away 8-9, or 8-A, based on how he bet/called the flop.)

    Truth is, if my opponent is drawing to a two outer, I want him to draw to those cards — not push him off the hand — because odds are he won’t hit one of the right two.

    My mistake was getting the chips all-in after he hit his miracle. Had he bet, say, $100, I probably woulda just called and saved some money. Or maybe not …I think that’s the question … in the circumstances of this hand, once that river falls, is there any way for me to get away from/play third nuts without going bust?

  4. Harris

    I agree with TR, you have to bet the turn. He may have put you on A8 and might have folded but you have to take that risk and bet out. If you think the hand through a little more when you raised on the flop he had to put you on a set or two pair, at minimum an 8 with a good kicker so when another eight falls on the turn what can he beat? If you bet maybe he folds or maybe he decides you don’t have an eight and raises you back. Then you get the money in good having made the right decision. I would think from his point of view he’s done with the hand after the turn unless he catches the miracle card. Even though it’s only a two outer I don’t think you can let him draw for free. Thinking back, after the hand you represented on the flop with your raise what could he possibly have been willing to three bet you all in with? I think he would just call a straight or flush because of the paired board. Maybe 6’s full, 5’s full, he was small blind so maybe 8-5? If he had those I think he would have bet the turn hoping for you to raise again and get it all in but he didn’t. I don’t know that I could have folded and I know you don’t have as long to think online but maybe one day we’ll be good enough to get away from this hand.

  5. Ed

    Poker is sooooo rigged.

  6. donkey bomber

    Check the nuts till they get there then call a real stiff bet when you’re beat